Die Dragonous Serie ist in Deutschland eigentlich noch gar nicht verfügbar. Wir werden das Teil irgendwann im Dezember anbieten können. In den amerikanschen Foren findet zur Zeit ein richtiger Hype um diesen Heli statt.
Hier die technischen Daten zum Dragonous II 450 SA Intruder
Specifications:
* Length: 660mm
* Height: 210mm
* Width: 100mm
* Weight: 344g
* Main Blade Length: 325mm
* Tail Diameter: 146mm
* Motor Pinion: 13T/14T/15T
* Main Gear: 150T
* Tail Belt drive gear: 51T
* Gear Ratio: 1:11.5:4.6/1:10.7:4.6/1:10:4.6
Den Heli wird es in verschiedenen Versionen geben, die High End Version (Elite) ist nur vom Feinsten, Alu und Carbon soweit das Auge reicht. Der Marktpreis der Elite Version in DE wird wohl so 25-30% unter Rex-SE Niveau liegen.
ich habe einen Elite.
Dazu habe ich folgende Fragen:
Wie fest muss ich den Riemen spannen?
Halten die (Alu?)-Kugelköpfe? Die meisten sind etwas schwergängig, wie kann ich das beseitigen, Kugelgelenkpfannen mit der Zange behandeln?
Zahnriemenspannung ist Gefühlssache. Ich spanne den eher etwas lockerer um die Lager zu schonen.
Eine zugegebenermaßen etwas unkonventionelle Methode: Heckrotor festhalten und über den Hauptrotor etwas Druck auf den Riemen ausüben, dann sollte es nicht überspringen.... Wenn sich der Rotor beim Durchdrehen relativ schwer bewegen läßt ist er zu fest gespannt.
Die Kugelköpfe ? Da gibt es mit Sicherheit jede Menge Geheimrezepte der Forenteilnehmer. Mit der Zange die Kugelpfannen gefühlvoll quetschen und mit Zahnpasta die Kugelköpfe polieren usw. usw...
die Idee ist nicht schlecht, die dynamische Belastung ist zwar grundsätzlich eine andere als die statische, aber das sollte taugen.. und wie ein durchrutschender Riemen klingt weiß ich auch .
Hat sich in Nürnberg jetzt eigentlich mal was bgzl. Vertrieb in D ergeben?
also A2Pro in Frankreich hat einen größeren Auftrag in der Pipeline.
Ich gehe mal davon aus, dass das Teil im April hier im Handel landet. Leider zu einem meiner Meinung nach viel zu hohem Preis - weil die ein neues total bescheuertes Vetriebsystem haben, was den Heli unnötigerweise über 50 EUR teurer macht.
Daher habe ich keine Lust mehr gehabt, bei der Nummer mitzumachen und habe statt des Dragonus "The Crow" (Vollalu-Heli) in den Vertrieb genommen. Mein amerikanischer Kooperationspartner mit mehreren Niederlassungen in den Staaten hat daraufhin auch alle Bestellungen bezgl. des Dragonus beim Hersteller storniert -
Aber Du Kannst ja mal nachfragen unter www.a2pro.fr, die werden Dir bestimmt mitteilen, wann es den Heli in DE gibt.
mein nahme is Fabien, von E-Copter in Frankreich, und ich arbeite für A2PRO ( Ich bin Helicotper Division von A2pro).
A2Pro ist der Rcer distributor für Europe, und unseren partners in Deutschland sind R.E.M Etter Modellbau für Deutsche distribution. Sie haben jetz der Dragonus in stock und allen parts ( entschuldigung für mein sehr schwer Deutsch ). Sie können zu R.E.M. fraggen welchen Heli Shop in deutschland wollen der Dragonus haben .
Hier ist der deutsch bauenanleiting für Dragonus "PLus" ( Sa in USA):
sorry for answering in English.
I would just like to make a few things clear regarding Hans Willis comments regarding the Rcer thing..
His US partner has not be able to fullfill the necessary investment to handle properlly the USA distribution, his offer has been denied by Rcer, and this man was very angry at that, and despite what he wrote on www.dragonus.tw, i caa assure you that we have absolutly no problems in beeing delivered and getting support from the manufacturer, Rcer. Whoever came to Nuremberg to our Booth or on R.E.M. booth must have seen the Dragonus there
I do not want to create any troubles here, so if you want to check by yourself just as to R.E.M distributor in Germany for parts as distribution just started and many German shops have bring lot of interests in this heli (they have contacted already R.E.M. in Nuremberg Toy fair).
About the prices, please note that US prices do not include VAT of any kind, nor the import fees, customs fees, and manuals translations, support, certifications.... So by respect for local shops sure the price in Europe will never be the same as in USA or HK, like all other heli products existing. But there is a real manual, customer support and service from R.E.M., i handle Technical support for A2PRO (full Europe) and any question in english will be replied, and soon, Tom, who translated the manual in German, will join me and we will create a Euro Support forum for the Dragonus. I'll post the link when it will be done ( around 3 weeks ).
R.E.M. has already had the Dragonus PLus ( SA in usa) manual translated in German ( based on my french manual) and the Elite / Pro manual will be shortly available.
Coming back to technical things ( i will not talk again about previous commercial comments and will only focus on technical stuff or news), the original aly ball shall not be tightened to make them looser, as they will get simply.. fat ( soft aluminium). They will get their natural slope after 2 flights approximatively.
Exist now Hardened balls and lightened hardened balls for hard 3d.
New Orings, harder, are available as well and allow hard 3D without getting phasing problems.
Black landing skids are as well available ( we asked for them as people wanted them black).
Night blades are coming up, but i prefer th feeling of the FG white blades of the Elite version. They are crisper and get faster answer on sudden pitch changes.
Some optional aluminium parts ( the black parts wich are motor mount, landing gears mounts, gyro mount, battery tray) exist now in option with pre inserted nuts inside.
The belt tension shall be adjusted so that simply the belt is not too lose and does not " jump" on the tail pulley too easy.
IF you notice black marks on the small pulley red guides, check that loctite did not fell in their ball bearings.
Then for anything else, just feel free to contact me at fabien@e-copter.com or just throw a message on the mini forum on www.e-cotper.com/portal, even in german, i'll make google translations to provide answers.
The motor we made is 450 DH ( we made 3 versions before having what we wanted) and is working perfect with 14T. It's 3013 KV and draws max 20 amps. All flights style can be handled with it.
Hope these informations help and have nice flights,
Hallo Leute -hier meine Antwort (in English, damit der Kollege es auch versteht)
Fabiene wrote:
I do not want to create any troubles here, so if you want to check by yourself just as to R.E.M distributor in Germany for parts as distribution just started and many German shops have bring lot of interests in this heli (they have contacted already R.E.M. in Nuremberg Toy fair).
About the prices, please note that US prices do not include VAT of any kind, nor the import fees, customs fees, and manuals translations, support, certifications.... So by respect for local shops sure the price in Europe will never be the same as in USA or HK, like all other heli products existing.
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Sorry Fabiene but thats bullsh....
My american partner and I have no problem to handle higher volumes but we are not going to take the german customers on a ride !
It is absolutely not reasonable to sell the Elite at that high price.
I sold a few samples of the Dragonus Elite at 249 EUR, this was enough to ensure the spare part supply and do the necessary things like german manual and so on. Why has the price in Germany to be much higher than in US , the shipping costs from Asia to US or from Asia to Germany are not that different.
The reason for making that product such expensive the is:
Manufacturer Asia - Main Importer Europe (a2Pro) - Importer Germany - Dealer Germany- End Customer (sorry Fabienne, this is absolutely ridiculous - there are too many people who want to make money with this product)
My channel of distribution works like this:
Manufacturer Asia - Stein-Elektronik - End Customer
You told me that I have to buy the Dragonus at your German distributor and I said "get lost" - I am not willing to to participate in that unfair business tactics which makes the products unnecessary expensive !
So Fabiene - this was my announcement re. this in the english language. My next answers will be in german. If you want to fight - go ahead - but I would prefer that you learn some more german !
regards
Hans-Willi
Ach ja, ich habe noch einen der letzten Plastik Dragonus Plus oder SA oder wie immer die jetzt das Ding auch nennen, hier herumliegen, wer ihn haben will, ich gebe das Ding für 75 EUR ab !
i'm not here to fight and i said it
Your partner wanted North America distribution and SOuth africa as well. He never mentionned anybody else than him willing to invest in this. He gave his max investment to Rcer and that did not fit reality with a North America + South africa distribution at all. No more, no less. IF Align allowed such amounts to be bought to be a distributor, then there would dozen of distributors for a same country.
Then about your chanel comments, i would just like to remember you that at any manufacture, there is Reseller price, and distributor price.
THis is how things work for all the industry, and if a manufacturer had to sell direct to shops everywhere in the world, well he might better create a courrier company than manufacture helicopters.
The Elite is 300 USD excluding VAT in usa / hk, then add 8% of approach fees (shipping, customs), handling fes+ manuals, support (i will not count them here..), and 19,6% Vat, this is over 387 Usd wich is around 293 Euro. So 300 Euro around is, i think, close to the Taiwan price once you add the import fees and VAT.,( Taiwan is not china !!) . That is real business and maths, no bullsh....
Then about the shipping fees, well please let me ask a question...
Your parnter's company (LLC) is based in a US state with no taxes. Shipping is really different as you ca already add 4,7 % of import taxes + fixed charges for customs for Europe. That is a huge difference.
IF you think that industry and commerce is Manufacturer -> reseller, then maybe in China, not in Europe.
Then, some resellers are local shops and they need to earn money to live, this the simple base of a shop: selling products to earn money. These shops have to provide support, help, and informations to customers as well. This is time, and time is money. People use to buy on Ebay to far, far away people in china for example, who are happy with earning 10 usd on a item, simply becaue life is different there. In Europe, i remember you that there is a thing called " Taxes on revenues", industrial or normal, wich is around 40% and more.
Thing is that our business is good, i do not say bad words about your helicopters and your partners helicotpers, as i said everybody is free to buy whatever he wants and i would like you to respect the Dragonus as i respect youa nd your partner products, because if i had to make real industrial comparisons then we could fight for ages and for nothing.
I'm here to propose to help in technical support to the customers, well as you said you do not want of that thing anymore as you call it so (dragonus) so the discussion about this is over and i will concentrate on the technical stuff.
And more than that, shops sell what they want, if they want Dragonus then we will be pleased to provide them Dragonus, if they want SJM and Diablo then they will contact you. And then? Nothing more.
So i go back on technical things, i'm sorry if you took the message badn but as far as i know, it does not concern you even as your " Partner " never said he had a partner for the Dragonus distribution, and the only mistake he did is to promote, make marketing and claim things about a product for wich he had no acknoledgement and no contract for with che manufacturer. And if you want to argue, then just prove me the contrary.
We announced the European distribution in November,n after having official agreement witht the manufacturer wich is simply fullfilling the " general sales terms and conditions " he has put on for Europe. The only people sending us bad words or trying to kill the Dragonus notoriety are acting from jealousy, since when people try to kill a product reputation to build their own?
LAst thing: YOu said " Manufacturer Asia, Stein , Customer". The manufacturer did not sell you direct if i do not mistake, your " partner " said he sold to you. And your parnter did not roder from the manufactuer but from traders who did cheat with the prices and other things. I remember your partner complaining about receiving uncomplete boxes, with no manuals, after ordering from a very famous HK based business who has as many different names as customer complaints aginst him.
OK we are done with this, if you want explanations then you know my email adress and my phone number. YOu do not want from the Dragonusa s you say, so please let me at least support the customers , i will concentrate on my side only on tech support and tech news, nothing else.
My only reason for saying these small things is the folowing: your partner sent an email with a contract immediatly after Nuremberg Toy fair, and 48 hours later he decided to kill the product, it's reputation and had bad words about us. Just for your information, the manufacturer received his email one week later only as he went to vacations in Thailand after Nuremberg and had not access to his emails. Simply........ And the most funny is that he was decided to maybe give a chance to your partner, but after reading www.dragonus.tw bulsh... obviously he has immediatly called the interrested distributor in USA and gave him distribution.
Now back to technical,
best regards,
Fabien
PS: sorry for my bad German, i only speak French and English and understand written German, but hard to write or talk .
Peace on earth - the customer will decide whats to buy.
And I will not comment all things you wrote...
Direct importing is not my invention - as I alreday told you we have global market and more and more companies are going to do so.
In fact I save a lot of money and can offer good prices to my customers when I get the products directly from Asia without European and German distributors. You have to know that I have to earn money too and I have to pay those import duties and so on - but I could offer the Elite at 249 EUR and this was enough to earn money and ensure the spare part supply and so on....
But Ok this is your way of business ..and lets get back to technical things...
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